Cognitive Behavioral Tools for Leaders with Dr. Julian Barling and Dr. Simon Rego
In this episode, Dr. Julian Barling and Dr. Simon Rego speak with Jen Knox Shanahan about how cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) can support effective leadership by helping leaders manage stress, reframe unhelpful thinking patterns, and improve decision-making. The conversation highlights the role of leadership mindset, mental health, and values-based leadership in sustaining performance and well-being.
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Guest, Simon Rego:
“So, if you wait till that first meeting when you're standing in front of the board and then say, now I’ve got to do something without having practiced and rehearsed, I wouldn't peg your odds of success of mastering those inner skills...so likely. But if you put in the time and develop these skills ahead of time when you're not in the fire...then when you need them, they're ready.
Almost like, you think about...martial arts, you go and you learn the different kata and the different routines to develop the flow, so that heaven forbid, if you ever need it in a situation of self-defense, it becomes automatic. That's what we're trying to do with CBT. We're trying to break down events into a sequence of moves, mental moves you do so that when needed, it just the automaticity clicks in, and you find yourself quite comfortable managing those situations in a very different way.
Change how you think, you change how you feel.”
Guest, Julian Barling:
“And then you change how you do.”
Julian Barling is a Distinguished University Professor and the Borden Chair of Leadership in Queen’s University’s Smith School of Business. He is the author of over 200 articles, book chapters, and books including Brave New Workplace: Designing Productive, Healthy, and Safe Organizations and The Science of Leadership: Lessons from Research for Organizational Leaders. Julian is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada, the Society of Industrial and Organizational Psychology, the European Academy of Occupational Health Psychology, the Association for Psychological Science, and the Canadian Psychological Association. To learn more, check out his new co-authored publication, CBT Workbook for Leaders.
Simon A. Rego, PsyD, ABPP, A-CBT is Chief of Psychology at Montefiore Medical Center and Professor of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in the Bronx, New York. Dr. Rego is a licensed clinical psychologist with more than 25 years of experience in using Cognitive Behavior Therapy (CBT) and other evidence-based psychological treatments. Dr. Rego is the author of two books for professionals, Treatment Plans and Interventions for Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder and Panic Disorder and Agoraphobia. He also co-authored The 10-Step Depression Relief Workbook and The CBT Workbook for Mental Health. To learn more, check out his new co-authored publication, CBT Workbook for Leaders.
